The Arrogance of Christianity
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My Religion is Right. All Others are WRONG!
There are several things one can criticize Christianity on, but I think one thing that stands out amongst all the rest is the sheer arrogance of most Christians that their faith is "the one." In fact, Christians are so certain of this that inquiry is looked down upon within their own religion, but it is used as a weapon against other religions.
Buddhism couldn't possibly be right. They've got it all wrong. Islam? Poor misguided fools. And what can one say about Hinduism? They worship cows! Oh, those poor fools. Too bad they don't just dump their dumb religions and get right with god.
Sadly, this is the crux of their argument. That's it! All other religions are just too weird, wrong, or questionable to be the right religion, and none of them focus on Jesus, so they must be wrong. An honest inquiry into this ideology is necessary in order to see through the beliefs, which is impossible for anyone who puts belief over evidence to submit to. And therein lies the conundrum.
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Outsider Test For Faith
According to John W. Loftus, there is a simple test one can conduct to prove to oneself if your religion really is "the one." Actually, this is a way to neutrally and skeptically examine your religion, because we all know bias is a given when analyzing one's own faith. And also, as I stated in another hub here, your religion greatly depends on where you were born. This is something that this test echos. The fact that a Christian is a Christian has nothing to do with his faith or beliefs, since he had none at birth. It has everything to do with being born in a country that is predominately Christian and being indoctrinated early on. In a predominately Christian country, the chances for Christian indoctrination, either by a parent, relative, teacher, or religious leader, are very high.
So, the "Outsider Test for Faith" is Loftus' little challenge to Christians, and all religious people, really, to question their faith as an outsider would. Just in the same way a Christian questions the validity or importance of sacred cows in the Hindu religion, that Christian should question the belief that a Jewish carpenter was crucified, died, and then rose from the dead.
Is Faith a Virtue?
Hardly. The main obstacle to Christians everywhere submitting to the OTF (Outsider Test for Faith) is, ironically, their faith. The very thing we as rational, logical, and skeptical beings (atheists) cite as the biggest impediment to progress is what Christians brag about the most. But it's not really faith in a god or in a religion, it's the faith that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Arrogant, indeed, and hardly a virtue. The fact that being Christian implies knowing the mind of god, when any non-Christian apparently is not a Christian because he or she does not know the mind of god, is in and of itself the utmost arrogance. If there were a god, how could any human possibly know his mind? The Christian's faith that not only he is absolutely right, but that he knows what god requires from him in order to enter into his kingdom is beyond arrogant. It is immoral, even by Christianity's own definition.
You're Interpreting it all Wrong!
Of course! That settles everything! I am not a Christian because I've gone about it all wrong. I must just not understand what god is really trying to communicate to me. I have to be able to interpret his words correctly to truly benefit from his wisdom.
Does anyone really buy this? Well, obviously it's good enough to keep millions of Christian sheep convinced. Sadly, most will refuse to recognize that that same argument can be used by a member of another religion, like Hinduism for instance, to demonstrate why their religion doesn't make sense to others. It's really a lose-lose situation. And how many times throughout history does the word of god need to be interpreted, differently, I might add, before any one group agrees on an interpretation? There are currently over 35,000 different Christian denominations, and the bible has been interpreted to mean whatever the group in power at the time wants it to mean. So how do Christians even know if their current interpretation is the right one?
They don't. It is arrogant, once again, for any Christian to claim that he knows what god wants from us. I have found that the best "interpretation" of god's word is to simply just read the bible. It's all there in black and white. God is a jealous, vengeful, capricious god and seems to want what any spoiled king would want. Now, I am indulging Christians right now by humoring them. I am supposing that god does exist. Let's think about that. If god really does exist, and he is the god in the bible, who in their right mind would want to submit to him? He is a morally depraved monster and a lunatic. That needs no interpretation.
Why is it so Hard for Christians to be Honest?
That is the real question. For people who pride themselves on following the Ten Commandments, none of which condemn slavery, by the way, they sure do engage in obscenely dishonest discourse. And thou shalt not bear false witness is definitely referring to lying. There is not an interpretation vague enough to cover up the fact that Christians are engaged in out right lying. By not turning that same certainty that all other religions and beliefs are wrong towards their own religion, Christians are accomplices to the greatest lie ever perpetuated by man. As it turns out, it's real easy to be a Christian. You only need to shut your inquisitive brain off. But we all know that is impossible, so I gather Christians save all that skepticism for all other religions and beliefs.
If Christians took that same certainty that all other religions are wrong and turned it onto themselves, there might be a more honest discussion about religion between believers and non-believers. As it is, personally, I tire of having to play this game of , "if you can't prove he doesn't exist, you got nothing." Proving a negative is impossible. But this is something that most Christians will cling to and use as their biggest defense. I can't prove that god doesn't exist. I can prove, however, that if I were to indulge for a moment in their little fantasy that he does exist, he is a horrible god--no interpretation needed.
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More on God, Christianity, and the Bible
- Why are You a Christian?
Christians might be able to rattle off any number of reasons for why they are a Christian, but the fact is that 99% of the time they are a Christian merely because of logistics. - The Bible is not a Historical Text, it is a Hagiography
Christians are always claiming that the bible is some sort of historically accurate text. It is not historically accurate, in fact it is far from it. - The Bible: A Solid Foundation for Atheistic Belief
The bible is far from a moral guide. If anything, it is a guide on how not to live your life. - All Beliefs are NOT Created Equal
Not all beliefs deserve respect, so suggesting that a person's beliefs are untouchable and sacred is a fallacy. - The Brutal Honesty Christians are Deathly Afraid of
Christians often cite their faith as the biggest reason for believing in god, but how honest is that? And how respectable is it to tout faith in something that defies all reason and logic? - The (Im)Moral Christian
Modern Christianity is a modern invention. Although Christians tend to cling to an ancient book, quite possibly the most immoral book ever conceived,they don't practice what it dictates, but they do defend it. This is a paradox.
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Tricia, any person from any other religion would have the same "evidence" to support their claims. And that evidence is hardly evidence at all. Josephus' writings have been proven to be fraudulent. In fact, there is zero evidence for the existence of Jesus outside of the bible. And your very claim that you go by what you understand is exactly what this hub is talking about. Of course you don't question it like you would another religions' and that is arrogance, plain and simple.
It seems obvious to me that you will always try to disagree with me as you have formed your opinion. You seem to be the more aggressive here not me. Who are you to say that I have not questioned and researched. You know nothing of me.
You may have questioned other religions, but I highly doubt you have turned that same inquisition towards your own religion. If you had, you would not be a Christian.
Whose Arrogant now...??
Still you.
Like I said I you have formed your opinion, I have mine - we will never agree..
The difference being that my "opinion" is founded on facts. Yours is based on, what? Your personal relationship with god? LOL! Enough said.
Faith under any belief system is having the confidence to believe and trust in something or someone. I respect people of different faiths or no faith.. I can not assume your experience. I can engage you in discussion but at the end of the day the choice is yours. I can not force an opinion on you (nor would I want to) It would be a bit like force feeding you - you would spit it back in my face and probably resent me for it. It is personal choice and yes I do have a personal relationship with God. I can not choose for you, just like you can't choose for me. Faith is the difference.
Faith is not a badge of honor. It is a way of feeling good about being too lazy to search for answers that make logical sense. Good luck with that. As for me, I want no part of that nonsense. I'll base my conclusions on evidence.
I really like this site: http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/
I can't imagine any Christian reading that and coming away still feeling arrogant.. most of them know next to nothing about the reality of their own faith.
Great site, Pcunix. Thanks for sharing. The trick is getting Christians to even go to it. Many of the Christians I know would rather remain in the dark about things for fear of stumbling upon something that will shake their faith. I think this is why a lot of Christians cling to creationism and don't even try to understand evolution. I don't know how many arguments I have gotten in with Christians who think that the theory of evolution is an explanation of how life on this planet came to be. It's not. It's change in a population of a species over time. No secret of life here, although it is bringing us a step closer. Thanks for the comment.
I just bought the book, too - $4.99 in the Kindle edition..
Mmm, you make a person think, emmaspeaks. I am very spiritual and I believe in God. But I also and respect every person on this earth on how and what to believe. I voted up for ya.
Excellent Hub.
I noticed you didn't tear Tricia a new one when she claimed Josephus was proof of Jesus' crucifixion. I guess I just wanted to point out that it is widely believed to be a forgery, that is, it was added by someone else after it was written.
Even if it were 100% authentic, it was still written decades after Jesus' death, and Josephus was only writing down what he was told. Not what he saw, or knew as truth.
As it is, most historians are lining up on it's a forgery, with a few apologists clinging hopelessly on to what is written now.
(Sorry, I hate people claiming Josephus and Tacitus are extra-biblical proof of their claims)
Again, great hub.
Thanks Daekin, and I did tell her it was a forgery, but you're right, I didn't exactly tear her a new one. I'm trying to be nice here. I think I might do a hub on Josephus in the future, though. And thanks for the great comment.
There are several things that can not be proven in, let us say science, still I believe that other life exists and I do subscribe to learning about other religions. The biggest thing that my faith has taught me is how to think about others and how we should care about them.
I had that with me as a child, but in this calloused world, a world where it seems we must make our points and then some go on to drive it home (as to offend) I choose to be different.
If, as you say Christ does not exist, I surely still appreciate and will strive to be a follower of a religion that at its conceptual form shared everything they had with each other. That is true Christianity, not hype and there are people, perhaps you, who practice that daily.
Everyone knows the spaghetti monster is the only real god.
Thank you AKA! Noturningback, your argument falls flat on its face. "True Christianity" can be anything anyone wants to make it. There's nothing special about that. That makes it exactly like any other religion. The fact that you can have your own little interpretation of it contradicts your claim that you follow the true christianity.
Ha Ha Nice one AKA Winston - like I said in my comments everyone is entitled to a view. I am with Dee42, I like to respect people even if I don't share their views - I like that respect to be mutual. Emma, you have written well but I don't agree and that is fine. I would be interested to read the hub on Josephus if you wrote one.
What you say is true - there are differing opinions on all kinds of things..the Bible as we know it today was agreed and some writings left out. Some things are lost in translation. You may see that as "proof" I am wrong but likewise there are scientists that agree with Creation rather than evolution. That is why I say that we all have our individual journeys and experiences and I have faith based on my research and my journey. Science and God do not need to be poles apart.
Dear Emma I'm not tryng to argue anything, just trying to share the commandment that Jesus left us or me if you will with. I really don't understand your anger, "The fact that you can have your own little (very condescending on your part) interpretation" but I can empathise with you in being angry, I have been there myself sometimes.
The books of Acts, Romans and 1 Corinthians, especially chapter 13 are my religion and the religion of many others.
Not all beliefs deserve respect, ma'am. This is one of them. And as for scientists that side with creationism, there are no elite scientists that side with creationism, and they are the ones that matter. Any clown can get a science degree in order to make false claims. Nothing to respect there either.
Noturningback, cherrypicking doesn't get any respect from me either.
So I am the arrogant one here right? Not you? Which one of us is not respecting the different viewpoint? I have politely debated but I won't be drawn into a slanging match...its not my style..I agree to differ. I know my journey, I don't know yours... I respect your view, but don't agree.
Perhaps you should read the hub I wrote titled, All Beliefs are NOT Created Equal, and you will know what I mean. In fact, I think the link for it listed in this hub.
Which are you? Do you believe in God? I re- read your hub again( I never do that very much) and I read it SLOWLY, cause I tend to read too fast, anyway what provoked you to write such a hub. I'm curious. Your thoughts, emmaspeaks.
Really? You have to ask? I most definitely do not believe in god, or in fairies or unicorns, for that matter. I side with logic. And, I think the Outsider Test for Faith, created by John Loftus, is an excellent gauge to use on one's own personal beliefs. Respect has nothing to do with it. Surely you don't believe all other religion's beliefs, so turning that same doubt and skepticism onto your own beliefs can allow for a more honest discussion about religion. It's a shameful cop-out to use faith and personal beliefs as a reason not to be honest about something. That is all I am asking when debating religion. Be honest. That might require a lot more work than you think.
Well! I'm honest also in saying Take-a-chill-pill,and I'm glad I'm not standing next to you because of lightning striking ya,and I'm sorry someone you know what ????on your Cherrios. HONESTLY...you might be the DEVIL.
LOL!
LOL! Awesome. No god no devil. FIN
Well, apparently I am the Devil.
Well,its always good to know opinions of the others, however the faith of the Religious People,and reflections of the Atheists are never based on logic, but always on BELIEFS.
Have to disagree with that, sir. Atheists like myself don't subscribe to reflections. We side with logic. I don't make decisions based on beliefs or reflections, that would be completely absurd. I engage in rational thinking and base my decisions on evidence.
They like to pretend we are living in a fantasy world as they are.. it makes them feel better!
Yeah, I guess it does. What does that say about them if we have to keep reminding them that we are not partaking in their little fantasy? It reminds me of a deluded lunatic that thinks he's some king or something. He's happy. Completely unaware of reality, but happy. Not something I aspire to, though. I'd rather remain sane with my feet firmly on the ground.
Exactly. Now imagine, you live in the beginning of XVI century, and engaging your rational thinking, supporting your decisions on evidence, you are convinced that the Sun rotates around the Earth. Copernicus is about to publish his work.
I should have used another word, not "reflection", rather conviction. It works as a dogma, and dogma is based on belief.
Except that we learn from science. Religion runs from it.
If I engaged rational thinking at the beginning of the 16th century, I would NOT think that the sun revolves around the Earth. The problem is that most people weren't using rational thinking back then, they relied on belief. Copernicus was the exception.
So, are you saying that atheism is a dogma? You couldn't be more wrong. Atheism, plain and simple, is the lack of belief in any god. That's it. Lack of belief are the key words. I require proof. Your argument still fails.
With all given respect,what is the foundation of Your "You could't be more wrong"?
All following exchanges of opinions seem to be nothing more than outstretching branches of tautology.
By the way, I am not a religious person. Never was.
If you are suggesting that atheism is a dogma, you couldn't be more wrong. It isn't a dogma, it is exactly what I said it is, the lack of belief in any god. That's it. I tire of people suggesting that it is a belief, a religion, a philosophy, ect. It is none of that. You can put 100 atheists in a room and we will all have different "beliefs". My atheism has nothing to do with beliefs. And, I also like to add that I don't think of myself in "believing" in anything. I require proof and evidence as the foundation of what I accept as real.
Does the sentence: "the lack of belief in any god" carry the same logical value as "belief in no god"?
O.K. well, I am not going to display my religion here because as an author I think it best left unsaid. However, I will say every relationship is like that, it's the unfortunate reality of human competition. Everyone thinks that they are right and no one else can be. For instance, if you are atheist, well, you think that all people who believe in a higher power are wrong, if you are Jewish, you think Christians are wrong. Well, I think that faith in something is a great thing whether it is faith in a god, faith in yourself, faith in your relationship or whatever you want it to be in. However, I don't think that anyone has the right to bash, belittle or hate anyone for their beliefs in any way! Great hub and I love the controversial subject, hope you enjoy my hubs as well!
Love the comment, Finance Hub, and great hub emma!
@Finance Hub: I will agree that you have the right to believe any foolish thing you want to believe. I will not accept that I shouldn't tell you when your ideas are ludicrous, illogical, contradictory and laughable. I'll belittle ideas that deserve belittling.
Belief and faith are not the same. Belief is knowledge about reality; Faith is hope in non-reality. Most religious do not believe but simply profess a creed in which they have faith.
To believe Christianity, one must accept that completely dead human beings can come back to life, that reanimation of dead tissue can occur as part of reality and if it were not so there would be no belief. That this belief is completely at odds with scientific knowledge is critical - one must assume that either science or religion is not completely correct regarding reality in this aspect.
The question then becomes one of belief. And this much is clear. We all believe something, but some of us have good reasons for our belief while others of us do not. Centuries of scientific testing tell us dead tissue cannot reanimate; thousands-of-year-old campfire tales tell say it can. Which is more likely to be right?
When you compare the centuries of scientific test-and-modify advancements that comprises current secular knowledge against the scribbling down of oral retold tales passed on by ancient nomadic herdsman, ancient ideas that have not been tested and revised since their inception, one is left with the understanding that religious belief is based on knowledge from the Dark Ages while secular beliefs are based on the combined and tested knowledge of mankind since the Age of Reason began.
We all believe something - witch doctor or which doctor - bad reasons or good.
AKA you answered that marvelously! You know, I never thought about the difference between faith and beliefs like that. You have really enlightened me! Thank you for that input! And I hope that settles that issue, Andrzej.
BTW, I have added a video from whywon'tgodhealamputess.com, to serve as a visual aid for those that just don't seem to get it. Check it out, please.
AKA Winston....you have explained things in human terms well....however if people believe in God or a superior power, they tend to accept that God can not be bound by human expectations. God is FAR Bigger than that! I can only speak from my experience. I have seen some things that logic can not reason away, that is why I believe in a Supernatural God.
Dear Emma!
Thanks ever so much for adding this priceless video.
You have also added the right tone to the discourse with the irrational religionoids on these hubs!
Respect has to be earned first. If some one doesn't understand that gods are outside our natural reality and require super natural imagination to be so delusional, what value does a rational world really represent to the minds of these religious people?
The video is great because it makes a point of showing very clearly, such delusional types are not using their minds as much as they could to know better and cope with reality a lot more successfully!
So why should delusional people who care so little about mental health and sanity, deserve respect from the rest of us who are just pointing out a major mental pollutant in their head or an important emotional defect which they must admit to, if they want to keep on living the rest of their lives with that silly god delusion.
Getting over it, so they can grasp reality with a greater degree of objectivity is obviously not easy for many, but showing respect and making irrationality socially acceptable would be wrong - it's enough that there is no law against stupidity ... :)
Franto in Toronto
You are quite welcome f_hruz! I have had this video bookmarked for a long time and I go back to it occasionally as it makes very valid points. Yes, respect has to be earned, and belief in magic gets no respect from me.
Tricia, "I have seen some things that logic can not reason away, that is why I believe in a Supernatural God." Really? You are obviously not trying hard enough to find a rational explanation, and instead settling for the supernatural one.
(I have seen some things that logic can not reason away, that is why I believe in a Supernatural God.)
Tricia Ward,
But you are reasoning away ignorance by assuming a supernatural solution - humans have been doing the same thing since we first climbed down from the trees and began walking. We couldn't explain the wind, so it became a god, the basis, in fact, for the idea of a invisible spirit. We couldn't explain thunder, so it was a hammer of a god.
Ignorance is relative.
In modern times, Uri Geller baffled the world with his ability to bend spoons using only his mind - unitl the magican James Randi showed the world how the trick was done.
Humans use hope (faith in the supernatural) in lieu of trying to resolve intractable problems. The unfortunate thing is that this does not lead us to any real solutions or even partial solutions. To find genuine solutions, we need to abandon our faith in the mystical and work together as humans to generate genuine human answers to our own problems. We didn't need the 10 commandments on the courthouse steps to end slavery - we did that by ourselves, regardless of the religious tolerance for the practice taught in the bible. If we can do that, we can surely address other pressing human concerns without a supernatural goalie.
Very eloquent answer AKA. I admire your patience in dealing with irrational people.
Guys its been interesting chatting, I respect your opinion but you do not seem to respect me...so there is no point in commenting further since all you want to do is enter negative comments - when you know nothing of me. All the best to you.
Agree with you. After a while its clear that the whole discussion goes nowhere.
At this point I must agree with Pcunix too, partially, humans are not equiped for this task, no matter how hard they try.
Funny how when the ones on the losing side of the argument realize that they have lost, they say things like, "you don't respect me," or, "this is going nowhere."
No, nobody is losing or winning, our arguments are supported only by our points of view, as always ignored by our opponents.
I am admitting, you are smart in your own ways, as the other participants are. Over all, this goes nowhere.
You see, you keep claiming that our points are only supported by our opinion, and that is just not true. What point have I made that you think is only supported by my opinion? I would argue that YOUR points are only supported by your opinions. My points are supported by facts and evidence.
It only goes nowhere because you refuse logic. Your emotional attachment to fantasy prevents you from seeing reality.
It's just a way for someone to be PC. I think most of us freethinkers have already established that your beliefs don't automatically get respect, and that is basically what Andrzej wants. He, and Tricia, too, want respect for their beliefs simply because they are willing to offer us respect for ours. It a defense mechanism because they know they have nothing to back their beliefs up, while we have evidence on our side. Nice try, Andrzej.
Lack of evidence on both sides. I don't have belief, neither pro nor contra.I simply don't know.
For the same reason I am not attached to fantasy, I never witnessed anything supernatural.
Unfortunately your points are supported, well, by your points of view only.
What could possibly be an evidence of nonexistence? Can you witness something that you negate? And that remains an OPPINION only.
It really goes nowhere.
Great hub! I completely agree that most Christians are arrogant, especially with the belief that people who don't share their religion are going to hell. It's a really dated belief, and it needs to be done away with if Christianity wants to appeal to the younger generation, which it is having trouble keeping. Glad to see another critic of organized religion!
Why is it that supernatural powers are never doubted although objective testing of such claims has had a 100% failure rate?
Prayer is a good example. In every valid objective study, prayer has been shown to have no power to alter outcomes. Instead of accepting this data, the believer faults the test, the tester, or the tested, or claims that subjective proofs are valid - because god failure is not an option.
At the same time, if instead of testing prayer the test had been of the claim that standing in the forest and gnawing on the bark of the Ponderosa pine cured cancer, these same people would have no problems accepting the failed gnaw test as evidence that the Ponderosa pine cancer cure was false. Tree bark failure is an option, it seems. Substitute, instead, the act of praying in lieu of bark gnawing, though, and the answer is suddenly different.
Why is that?
Humans attempt to resolve the doubt inherent in intractable human problems by imagining a superpowerful force that has control over all circumstances - god is mankind's representation of that force. Ponderosa pine trees are not. The thinking is that if we can access that power (god), there is hope.
But that is simply fanciful thinking - immature thinking - emotionally based thinking. It offers no permanent solutions, only a receptacle in which to hide our fear. If prayer were truly the answer, we should throw all our cancer research money and efforts into finding better prayer methods and anti-cancer gods to pray to instead of trying to understand how normal human cells become cancerous killers and how to interrupt this fate.
Some people seem to need the fantasy that when their sister is in the hospital with cancer, there is value in praying for her; for others, we realize that for all the good it will do we may as well chew on tree bark.
Of the two groups, I have more faith that the latter group should be making the grown-up decisions.
Emma first I will ask did you do that on the napkin and take a photo? I'm shocked how you can be so silly to think that is reasoning it's ludicrous. Accepting Jesus into you heart is not a religion it's the way.
God cannot be mocked he will always have the final say.
No, gillsyno1, that is a popular meme. I did not take that picture, but it does illustrate the mindset of the religious adherents to a silly book like the bible.
Thank you Sooner and AKA for your wonderful comments.
Andrzej, your argument is circular and you are hoping that it convinces someone. I'm sure it's good enough for sheep, but not for a logical freethinker like myself. Proving a negative is impossible. No one is ever called on to prove a negative. Lack of evidence is enough to conclude that a thing does not exist. That doesn't mean that there won't be evidence for it in the future, but as of right now, there is ZERO evidence for god, just like there is zero evidence for unicorns. That is NOT my opinion, sir, that is fact. You calling it my opinion does not make it so, so drop the childish antics.
"God cannot be mocked"
True. The Invisible Pink Unicorn cannot be mocked either. Things that do not exist cannot be mocked.
God also cannot be found as no evidence exists for him. You are spot on, Pcunix.
Can the air you breath be found can you see it?
Yes, you can see the particles that make up the air under a powerful enough microscope. What a stupid analogy.
What an interesting, and brave hub! You're a very, very smart young woman. You're a very good writer as well. Voted up! Enjoyed very much. If you have time, read My hub, Living Atheist In The Bible Belt. :)))
If God didn't exist neither would you or me or anything.
God holds everything together and people who don't turn to God are empty people without a purpose.
Even animals have a purpose to work with the nature that was created for us they were intelligently designed like you and i.
Thank you, aslaught! I certainly will! Charles, unless you have anything intelligent to say, move on.
To me, talk of intelligent design is absurd, considering how many genetic defects humans have, and how many vaccines and medicines we all need throughout our lives to survive. This is all the "natural design" of that allegedly awesome creator...
Wow, this was a fantastic hub! It's so true that Christians insist upon themselves. I was born a catholic and after opening my eyes and seeing the absurdity of that religion, I chose paganism as a way of life, instead, but I admit that even pagan beliefs are irrational. Interestingly, I have found that the pagans have more in common with atheists than either of them would admit, simply because we want the same thing. After tons of research on paganism, I found Christianity is a stolen religion. The majority of what they believe was permanently borrowed from the pagans they converted in an effort to make conversion easier. Let's not forget all the people they killed in the "name of God." I'm sorry, but who would want to be arrogant about committing genocide? People were burned at the stake for the possibility of believing in something other than Christianity. How does mass murder make them right? If you ask me, Christians are just big bullies and I say that from personal experience since I was one. Did I mention this was a great hub? lol
Thank you for another great comment! I was also a Catholic, and yes, christianity did "steal" a lot from paganism. I have a few hubs on that topic, too, if you are interested. You sound like a very rational thinker. I will have to check some of your stuff out, too.
Emma you are deeply troubled my dear why go through life with a fake smile open ur heart to Jesus he transforms life's and people if people didn't experience his power then he would hardly be real but they do and I have had the same done to me we are living proof.
Don't believe the lies that you have been fed by corrupt people with an agenda for their self righteous purposes.
You know their is a God it's apparent in all the things that have been created.
Ignorance is no excuse. The evidence of God's existence is overwhelming, and God has promised that those who truly seek Him will find Him.
The eternal power and deity of God are observed by all. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened" (Romans 1:18-21).
Yous must be from their offspring but yous can change if you want.
Nothing more precious than life don't end up in hell that's where satan and the unGodly will end up after this time is up.
Ok Really?
"Don't believe the lies that you have been fed by corrupt people with an agenda for their self righteous purposes."
But that's what your doing, feeding us lies to satisfy your agenda. Christianity is one of the most corrupt religions. How many people were killed during the crusades? That's ok with you? That's like saying the Holocaust was no big deal.
"Ignorance is no excuse. The evidence of God's existence is overwhelming, and God has promised that those who truly seek Him will find Him."
You know really it's better to remain thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. There is no evidence for God and Christianity frowns upon asking for proof of God. If there was proof it would cease to be faith.
"Nothing more precious than life don't end up in hell that's where satan and the unGodly will end up after this time is up."
You're right there, nothing is more precious than life, so I'm not going to waste mine worshiping a God who is merciless and vengeful. Vengeance is a waste of time and energy, so your God is also quite wasteful. But since I don't believe in heaven or hell you can't threaten me with the eternal damnation of my soul. It's your hell, you burn in it. That might be harsh, but that's essentially what your saying is going to happen to me, I'm just reciprocating.
Truly faith cannot be logically defended, for logic fails the necessity for mankind to accept those things which are unexplainable. Faith in God cannot be defended logically, nor can faith in the non-existence of God be defended logically - any study of the greatest philosophers on both sides of the question provides adequate explanation of that truth. Science and logic are inadequate vessels in the discussion. Scientific discussions can never solve the problem of God, for science is unable to prove anything which cannot be reproduced in a lab experiment - in that setting, it cannot prove your own existence, much less the existence of God. Proper logic cannot be used in the discussion for it requires two undeniable premises to support a conclusion, and undeniable premises are non-existent in the discussion of faith. Therefore you require something different than logic or science to justify a belief or non-belief in God.
The greater issue herein is not the issue of God at all, but the issue of violence against anyone who doesn't think like you. In that those of faith and non-faith alike conduct themselves by the very behavior they suppose to condemn.
It takes no intellectual genius to realize that the only path to peaceful existence is to treat every human being with love and respect, and whether you arrive at that conclusion by "faith" or "logic", there will be no peace until you do. I wish you peace.
@Dave You'd like to pretend that the non-existence position cannot be defended logically, but in fact it can be. This "you can't prove a negative" nonsense doesn't apply to things that are illogical in their essence as all gods are.
I would like to clear something up your so confused and ignornant to the truth anyone who has killed and said they are a Christian has not a true Christian. They never knew Jesus(repent and ask him into your life) love your neighbour is the most important thing Jesus taught us this.
God is the ultimate judge people think they have that right but don't they fail miserably.
We are all sinners that's a fact so if God and Jesus aren't real then how come we have those sins?
Think about it why would anyone want to put restrictions on their life wise up and get real animals do want they want if we came from monkeys lmao then it would just be the same.
@Pcunix: I don't pretend that the non-existent position cannot be defended logically, it as a fact cannot, and if you actually took the time to educate yourself on the theory of logic you would know my statement is correct. Logic is not the answer and can never be. That is not to say there is not a legitimate position to be taken for non-existence, only that logic doesn't provide it. Your statement "This "you can't prove a negative" nonsense doesn't apply to things that are illogical in their essence as all gods are." is the best example. The statement has no logic, therefore by your own confession you rest on that which cannot be logically attested.
@Dave: You are incorrect. I don't expect you to bother to learn how wrong you are, but logic does preclude any possibility of any god, whether you are aware of that or not. What logic can't preclude is a creator, but a creator can be a physicist in another universe or even an accident - it cannot be a god. Almost all theists fail to understand that and unfortunately so do all agnostics and many atheists - including some well know atheist writers. However, the fact is that gods are logically impossible.
Simply put: any complex being must be composed of simpler parts.
Those simpler parts had to exist before the being.
Therefore, any supposed god either has to be the product of evolution as we are or a fortuitous assembly of the parts. It is no "god". It's just a creature like us.
For anything to come into existence there had to be something there in the beginning which proves God God is a spirit a force. He did not need to be made he was and is.
Anyone that falls for the evil ution lie is seriously not right in the head things just don't magically appear in space and explode to put everything in perfect placement and order and then start life on earth with everything needed for existence lmao
It looks like I missed a lot last night. I think you did a great job, Daughter of Maat and Pcunix, in responding to some of these illogical comments. Thank you.
Charles, I'm gonna have to start deleting your posts. If your only intention is to try and "save" me, move on. I have important things to do.
Suppose there was never a Bible written from Genesis to Revelations...a complete blank. No history of which the Bible meticulously provides thru Israel's called men by this God. No saviour to come. No statement of Man created in the image of a God (Higher Being....Supreme Being). Nothing from the distant past that gives the generation that is (all of them even before you and me) something to see forward after looking back.
Human sacrifice ruled the land in ancient days....regard for marriage and family was fragile and subject to the strongest taking from anybody because of no conscious. Sounds like to me the animal kingdom who are not made in the image of God.
We wouldn't even have this debate about a God who loves and saves. We would have nothing but our imaginations which would be fruitless because our imaginations don't prove a thing. Anyone studying ancient "religion" would be appalled at the state of men's behavior when compared to the God of Israel directing them not to do so and yet He Himself did so thru a strange man name Jesus.
Only a God could wake a dead man up from a tomb after demonstrating a most painful death to leave no doubt of it's authenticity. And the witnesses become so amazed that they write the New Testament...Remember, Jesus didn't write one word himself ...that would be to subjective. Let the observers tell the story and so they did!!
There is far more proof to believe then there is not to. Often there are those who say seeing is believing but then that isn't faith based on facts as the Bible give. Let's take the Bible away for a season...maybe that's what the book of revelations is all about.
greg, do not preach on this thread, please. If you have something intelligent to offer, by all means do so, but do not come on here and preach. I have already deleted one person's last comment becasue all he seemed to want to do was convert me. I will delete any additional comments from you if you continue.
The funniest part of Greg's comment is the "only a god could" part. According to his very own Bible, non-gods did plenty of dead raising: http://www.pathlightspress.com/resurrection.html and of course every prior religion had its miracle workers doing the same little miracle.
These people don't even know their own religion, never mind what led up to it.
Agreed Pcunix! I will have to start deleting any more comments that don't add to the discussion.
i am not interested in converted thou that might be a noble goal. I am simply saying the Book has a life all it's own because it declares thru prophecy a man to come and die and rise again. And he did all this in spectacular manner. What Pcunix say is true to a point. There was and still is "copycat" versions but they don't come close to the success and the impact that the BIble has had in the world. The post article is titled 'the arrogance of Christianity" and it is for debate...then again maybe not!
Truth can indeed be arrogant, it refuses to bend in the wind. I don't mean to sound dogmatic but I wonder why Israel is back as a nation after 2000 years of nonexistence which is what the Bible said would happen again....it just didn't tell us when. The bottom line is this, is it prophecy at work despite all odds or is it just a consequence in this modern era we live that Israel is back. Perhaps for a demonstration in due time. Prophecy is the unique factor that the Bible has that no other book can produce with such accurate results.....thou some have tried. The other stories are just that mythical wishes but no real objective evidence. Like someone writing about a dead man coming out of a tomb!
Ah...the Bible is quite an objective book .....for the very people that wrote it refuse to believe it (Jews) just like you guys and yet the Word marched on while they stumbled at the cross...just like the word predicted they would. How is that for being objective? Help me find another religion based on that principle.
To be honest, I am not happy with the state of christianity as an institution. It is weak, self-righteous, fragmented and lacking in the faith to draw others convincingly to a deeper understanding of the man Jesus. But the Bible also said that day would come. Basically just letting you know why I may be a little arrogant. A little long winded...sorry.
Btw, it is possible to prove a negative - it is done with an inductive argument. I can claim my lunchpail is bereft of salamanders, and when I open the pail, lo and behold! No salamanders! Ta Da!
Now, you may not believe me - you may claim there is an all-powerful, immaterial salamander spirit in the pail. But to do so you must go against the objective evidence and simply make up a story.
What most people don't grasp is the nature of proof and evidece - both are always based on an observer's opinion as to how important they are.
To me, it is telling that in over 2000 years no Christian or group of Christians has been able to call on the name of Jesus and restore an amputee's missing limb. Does this prove 100% the story false? To me, yes, it does. But it may not to you. But if you want to believe it, you have to do some heavy-duty mind-games to explain why what was promised as possible in the bible has never once been delivered.
Sorry guys, been in school all day. I agree with you AKA, about the inductive argument. I'm actually learning about that in my philosophy of logic class. All I meant by that is that we aren't called on to prove a negative, as it is a waste of time. There aren't scientists trying to prove that fairies don't exist, because that would be foolish. But, yes, I do see what you are saying.
You know I hate to say this, but I think taking the Bible away would actually improve humanity. Prior to the bible religions were pagan and about living in harmony with nature. Granted there were, what we would call, barbaric animal sacrifice, but the main idea of paganism was to become one with nature. I don't think that's such a bad idea. Christians, on the other hand, have come up with what they call "Resisting the green dragon" in an answer to the global warming problem. Global warming wouldn't be an issue if the bible didn't exist. Granted, that's my own opinion and I can't prove it, but I don't think humanity would have evolved to the point of trying to control mother nature if the Bible didn't exist and tell humanity to do so. I think the world would be a much nicer place to live without the bible.
I have to share one of my most favorite quotes, the author is unknown however.
"Place the bible outside in the wind and the rain, and what happens? The pages rip, the ink runs. My Bible IS the wind and the rain." -unknown
Wow!Your'e rollin' aren't you? Sadly you should have done a little research on the subject.It appears to me that you are not truly atheist,that somewhere along your life line something has happened to you and you think God or christianity in general is to blame.If you feel so outwardly zealous about this you should do your homework,study,become familiar with your topic. I can tell by the hub that I would leave you sitting with mouth open ,confused,and questioning what you actually do believe.Just remember that God Loves You and Blasphemy is a tough subject in the afterlife.
Oh, another one: we must secretly hate some god because nobody could ever be an atheist.. not *really*.
Another "what"? I don't believe I was commenting on a hub that you wrote. Seems like a touchy subject to bring on such a response. I am in no way diluted enough to not understand the legitimate arguments for and against Christianity.I can accept anyone's belief. Apparently here the intolerance lies somewhere other than the"arrogant" Christian. Yes,Christianity has seen dark days,but those were the result of corrupt men twisting and bending things to suit private agendas. If you would like I could explain all of this to you from a scientific standpoint.
Mr. ShadySide - Are you the type of Christian who thinks god made man in his image so we are not part of nature like all the other life forms, which makes us so superior over nature?
What's the name of that kind of science you want to tell us about?
mrshadyside, take your ignorance elsewhere. As I have stated too many times already, the comments section is open to intelligent discussion, not fundamental bullshit. Take your ARROGANCE somewhere else, like to your church. I'm sure there are hundreds of ignorant people there that will appreciate it.
You have to forgive him - he is 'diluted' :)
Emma you shouldn't start sad little topics up and then not be able to take criticism and other peoples views esp when you attack them.
It's clear your life is very empty that you have time to take out to come out with such nonsense.
Stop living in the dark all you non believers!
Wow! Actually no that's not what I believe at all. As far as intelligent discussion are concerned how can you have that here? So far it's been you guys with the offensive and personal attacks.Anyway this is beginning to bore me. Here is a link but me may be too much for you guys to swallow.http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/hugh-ross-origin
Mrshadyside that is class link another one of the many many evidences out there proving that it's been lies the evolution believing scientists have told.
I doubt they will even read it most of them think what they believe in is right and don't want to change at least we can read and listen to anyone try to tell us what they know.
God said test everything.
The ones that are in doubt if only they did that they would know God is there.
Yeah, class garbage link. I think I'll leave that there so others can see your stupidity. LULZ.
Emma what is garbage about it? if you can't answer this question you know that means for a FACT your talking garbage.
What question, charles? You think you already know everything there is to know. What could I possibly tell you that you don't already know?
@mrshadyside1
That link is worthless. It's a very extensive list of assertions, and biased opinion with no supporting documentation. Not even one single piece of supporting document. It's just one guys long list of bullshit he decided is right, with nearly all of science against him.
I'm not sure you understand that the internet is full of things people just write down. You seem to think if it's written on the internet, and supports your view, it is true. Instead of looking at the fact that he has not even one, in -all- of that writing, not one citation.
You have any astrophysicist talking about geology, and many other subjects out of his scope. It's just silly.
What in his entire blurb do you consider convincing evidence for God? I'm curious.
Wow, that link just completely proves this hub. How arrogant to think there are no other life forms out there? 41 characteristics to have one planet that supports life? What kind of life is he talking about? Nitrogen/oxygen based life forms? Like there are no others? This astrophysicist is full of shit. Anybody can play semantics when they write scientific information, how do you think drug companies get their drugs approved by the FDA? Come on really? I have an IQ of 168, don't give me this bullshit and try to make ME look like the idiot.
Sorry to everyone, that just really ticked me off. It was written back in 1994, things have changed a lot since then, we are in 2012.
See, I knew intelligent people would get a kick out of that. My first impulse was to delete that, but I knew I'd be doing him a favor if I did. Thanks for the lulz mrsahdyside.
http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/physic
http://www.reasons.org/resources/non-staff-papers/ I was only trying to give information that would be easier to grasp. I suspect that the writers of these documents received their degrees from a bubble gum machine. I would have expected that people with such high "IQ's"would have an open mind to every angle. Closed mind = limited knowledge.
@mrshady1
The first link is....nothing really. It doesn't even really explain anything. Just throws out terms, then attaches it's own ideas to them. Especially things like the uncertainty principle which hasn't even been reconciled yet.
The second link is a dud. Nothing there. Your information is useless, because it explains nothing, and it offers no credible evidence. It only asserts information based on God of the Gaps arguments.
When will theists ever learn that "I don't know" is the appropriate answer to a question you don't know the answer to. Not "God".
Edit: I also thought it funny that the second link is "Reasons to believe" and when I clicked on it, it says "Page not found". I can only assume this is the spaghetti monster telling me their are no reasons. It's a clear sign.
First of all, the first sight is talking about the Qabalah which if you knew anything about the topic you would know this is a pagan belief NOT an xtian one. The Qabalah was based on esoteric principles of the inter-connectivity of the universe and is a practice of High Ceremonial magick. I made reference to it in a hub on witchcraft, so you're still taking me for an idiot. I'm also quite open minded and I'm probably one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet, so again you are dead wrong.
Secondly that second link, as Daekin said, does not work. So you still have no proof. Maybe you should open your mind to the idea that xtians are not the one true religion, there are many paths. Stop being an arrogant xtian....
Did I put an x through christ again? lol
Thanks for tackling these irrational people, Daekin and Daughter of Maat. I have been neglectful these past few days because I am busy with school and often have only enough time to check in.
Emma deleting my posts just makes you look daft truth hurts ya doesn't it if you really believed God and Jesus aren't real you wouldn't feel the need to attack them. Here is something for ya Nobody wants to or wishes or can attack something that is not there this in itself proves God is there.
An non believer can't have a discussion with a believer without resorting to insults against God if they really knew he wasn't there then it would be pointless for them but they have a target because he is there and don't like him.
I'm sure you have spoke of God many many times in a state of panic or shock???
Charles, I'm deleting your posts because you are spouting nonsense that isn't moving this discussion forward. You are a perfect example of the arrogance I am talking about in this hub. And I don't think I am the one insulting anyone here, you are. Furthermore, you grammar is atrocious. Do yourself a favor and at least articulate a legible sentence before trying to argue with me. I don't want to waste time trying to decipher your jibberish. If you continue to post nonsense, I will continue to delete them.
I thought this was in general I well written piece. My biggest complaint with Christian, Mormons, and some others, is that if they knew for a fact with out any doubt that what they believe was true, then they shouldn't have to go door to door to brainwash others into their religions. And there would not be such a thing as bible thumping. If there were not holes in where the bible came from or who in fact the true authors are no one would argue the content. Regardless, live and let live, cast no judgment for who?
Correction; "a well written piece" Another thought. Faith is simply believing in something you cannot see.
Thank you momatheart1. I agree, hence the arrogance I am writing about in this hub. As for live and let live, when religion is out of my government, schools, and society as a whole, I can rest. I don't go to anyone's house, or force anything down anyone's throat. I am a writer and write about topics that matter to me and I am grateful for places like Hubpages where I can have an outlet to publish my writing. No one HAS to read my hubs. If you don't like it, don't read it. That is my opinion on that. I back my claims with evidence, so I am not making blanket statements, like some christians have even on this very thread, and not backing them up. Thanks for the compliment and the comment, though.
@Charles
"if you really believed God and Jesus aren't real you wouldn't feel the need to attack them."
Nobody is attacking them, they don't exist, why would they? The ideology is what's being attacked. The bigotry that comes from arrogant Christians like yourself is what is being attacked. We don't care about God, or Jesus.
"Nobody wants to or wishes or can attack something that is not there this in itself proves God is there. "
Unicorns are stupid, and I don't like them at all. I have now attacked Unicorns. They are now real. I hate gremlins, they are small and dumb. I have now also attacked gremlins, they are also real.
I hope you can see how silly what you said is now.
"resorting to insults against God"
Nobody is insulting God, nobody is mentioning God. We arn't atheists because we hate God. It's impossible to hate something that we're pretty sure isn't there. Like hating unicorns, or gremlins.
"I'm sure you have spoke of God many many times in a state of panic or shock"
Never once in my life have I asked for God's help for any reason outside testing if he was real or not(Tests showed he wasn't)
Charles, you have some great misconceptions about atheists, and what they are actually standing up against. You seem to think we hate God, and Jesus. What we actually hate is the ignorance, bigotry, arrogance and the forcing of their beliefs on people, that comes from the people who love God and Jesus.
"An non believer can't have a discussion with a believer without resorting to insults against God "
I don't even know where you see this. I talk to a minister about our beliefs every week. He respects my views, I respect his. We mutually benefit from our conversations. There is no hate, or insults. Just amiable discussions over coffee, and sometimes lunch.
Charles, you are misguided, and brainwashed. You have no idea what you are actually talking about, and i'm sorry I spent so much time writing this, as I am probably right in assuming you won't take in a word of it, and still think I hate God. In any case, I support emma deleting your posts. Unless you have something relevant to add to the conversation, keep it to yourself.
It all boils down to the arrogance of christians not being able to admit that they DON'T know something. Just like you said earlier, Daekin, when will theists learn that not knowing something is not a sign that we are wrong. Claiming you know something with no evidence to back you up, on the other hand, is a perfect way to show how really ignorant you are. Arrogance indeed. When I first wrote this hub, I felt just a little bad, like, man, maybe I'm going too far here. But thanks to all these christians' comments, they have offered much affirmation for my writing it.
I give you credit for "going there". It is a forum the nation is too "afraid" to take on. Sometimes i wonder if religion is based on fear that if they don't get into one of the groups, they will be lost in the rest of their lives. Regardless, thank you for saying what I have thought and actually researched a little. I actually have a bible thumping relative... Grrrrrr
Having been brought up a Christian, but with my own inner truth telling me that what I was hearing in Church was often misguided, this hub reflects my own experience of Christianity - or other monotheistic religions (e.g. Islam). So while I have been astounded by the inability of human beings to perceive that their belief system is entirely dependent on subjective experience, I've also extracted a great deal of interesting angles on the matter. E.g. spiritually speaking, we're all wired up the same way, but grow up in different circumstances.
Perhaps though, the main thing that has come to me, is that it's OK for born again Christians to bang on with what they believe, it's ok for them to be fear propagators (sinners non-believers go to hell etc, real cheap trick there), all this stuff is OK, because it gives meaning to their lives.
I've come across many people whose values and faith in Jesus, and their rightness and 'being saved', gives them comfort and meaning, and who am I to take that away from them? For the most part, most Christians don't even realise the presence of Gnostic Gospels, and that the scriptures were written 100 years after Jesus died, and that the Council of Nicea decided what to be in or out of the Bible. A lot of belief is really faery-tale make-believe, without any roots in metaphysical reality (despite the obvious presence of Gnostic language in the original scripts - Jesus was a mystic and yogi, a true adept, and realised fully self-realised God-I-ness-consciousness, which is behind most Eastern tradition). Anyway, I digress...
It doesn't matter that there are Christian head bangers out there, because they need what they believe in. There are not many people in this world who are able to experience reality without emotional interpretation...
That was so eloquently put.
"There are not many people in this world who are able to experience reality without emotional interpretation..."
I need to steal this quote, lol. It's exactly what I have been thinking except with an added "why?" I'd like to think I am one of the few simply because I despise emotion immensely, but I also know emotion is a necessary part of life. And therein lies the quandary.
PS: I'm sorry, that Charles guy needs to learn how to use a freakin' period. You can't debate theology intelligently if you can't create a coherent sentence.
It is fascinating that those who do not believe in God's existence, empirically speaking, are the most angry at Him.
The emotional outbursts toward an imagined image of God reveals a counter-intuitive finding that those who do not believe in a God actually hold more of a grudge towards God than those who believe in Him.
How can someone be so angry at God, if they don't believe in His existence?
A social science clinical study has found that negative life events are the common catalysts resulting in a decreased belief in the existence of God. The findings are that anger leads people to atheism and is the strongest reason to cling to that paradigm. Those who concede to their anger become obstinate to their emotions.
The irate sputter of "emotional atheism" has become common fare. What is perplexing is that the consolation of insults towards believers seem to be a temporary "band-aid" to their own suffering.
Is the emotional venting really towards God, or is it towards those who are presenting the image of Him?
When unicorns are presented blue instead of pink, it can send some on a emotional roller-coaster ride. There are those that want their unicorns a certain way, and if they cannot have it that way, they have outbursts of rabid agitation.
Those who believe in God can be arrogant.
Those who don't believe in God can be arrogant.
Therefore, those who believe and don't believe in God, can both be arrogant.
Arrogance can spur on pique emotions in people; to some more than others.
Perfectly told Planksandnails the most sense that's came from anyone on this hub yet.
Everyone has a limited knowledge even all the top smart people put in the world together that still leaves about 80% or more what is still unknown God is in that along with what they know or even think they know as well.
We aren't angry at things that don't exist. Are you "angry" at elves, the Invisible Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Pcunix that's just laughable lmao what have elves done and the invisible pink unicorn and the flying spaghetti monster?
Is there any history of them besides actors playing a part?
hey.. i guess your greatly mislead about light w/c was created by God in the book of Genesis... scientifically and astronomically speaking there are many light source within the solar system (WHERE OUR EARTH IS LOCATED)for your information that aside from the sun and moon also there are million and billion of stars which also radiates light apart from the earth. the light w/c was created on the first day is the stars and galaxies w/c we see at night and the light w/c was created on the 4th was the sun..
Elves, the IPU and the FSM have done every bit as much as any god has done - which is exactly nothing.
BTW, Emma, I love that so many of these people are nearly illiterate - it just adds to their charm.
mr pcunix..ha haha for you? God has done nothing? how about the air that you breathe?? who made that oxygen?...
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Earth is like an incubator, protected from the environment of the universe. Why do we have an ozone layer and the other planets do not. Without which no life would live on this planet. Why do we have water and the others are nothing but a giant ball of gas and rock. Yet the scientist look with all their might for one drop of it to think a God had nothing to do with earth having water. Why is there such remarkable order in evolution..be it plants, animals and humankind. God can cause the big bang as they say as well as mitigate the evolution of life over time. Who says they have to be independent of each other.
Why does the animal world fear man when animals have the advantage in a one to one battle in most cases in a hand to paw combat? The biblical directive is we shall have dominion over the earth...and so we do including nonbelievers enjoying this position. At the time there was only a man and a woman aka Adam & Eve and yet it is so. Could you make such a prediction when lions are around in the wild to the first family! We think we are so intelligent NOW! Our technology is breaking down the incubator and now we are angry because things are falling apart. And who do you want to blame...people who believe in a God, how selfish the human heart and how sad!
@gregb4hope
Obviously you don't realize we have found other planets with water, ice and possible life.
Obviously you don't realize things exist outside our solar system, or you wouldn't be saying ridiculous things like you are claiming.
Please, please, please do some fucking research before you just start spewing nonsense out of your face. Good lord.
Yeah, Pcunix, the fact that these morons are practically illiterate explains some of their sputterings, but not all. The rest is just willful ignorance. I have so many more important things to do with my time than argue with idiots, like write more fact based hubs.
Ditto....
Ditto, says the man who can't punctuate, doesn't write complete sentences and often tortures those he does complete.. no doubt blissfully unaware of what "illiterate" actually means.
Tricia Ward Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago
As a Christian, I disagree with some of your points. It sounds rantish and as if you have a chip on your shoulder. It is true that over the years there has been denominations splitting over difference of opinions and doctrines. Like everyone we are not perfect!
I would say that Christianity differs as unlike some of the other faiths Jesus was God incarnate. He lived among us. There are historical manuscripts that support the crucifixion. Josephus.
I understand your opinion. I just disagree with it. God gave us free will so we have the right to make choices. I am no theologian, so if you want that, best get that from someone else (However I suspect you may see that as arrogance.)
I go on what I have understood, analysed and chosen to believe.